:-) I did respond directly to Paul Thomson. Hopefully we'll receive some useful, interesting feedback. -----Original Message----- From: Howard Shapiro [mailto:hms@shapirolab.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:01 PM To: cyto-inbox Subject: Re: Baclight membrane potential kit Paul Thomson wrote: >Hi All, I'm considering using the BacLight Bacterial Membrane Potential Kit >to estimate concentrations of viable bacteria in seawater. > >Does anyone have experience with this kit they can share with me? I have had no experience with the kit, and would also be interested in others' experience with it. However, since the methodology was developed and is regularly used in my lab, with Dave Novo and Nancy Perlmutter having done most of the experimental work, I feel qualified to comment. The details of three papers are relevant. The first (Novo D, Perlmutter NG, Hunt RH, Shapiro HM: Accurate flow cytometric membrane potential measurement in bacteria using diethyloxacarbocyanine and a ratiometric technique. Cytometry 1999; 35:55-63) describes the ratiometric membrane potential measurement technique using DiOC2(3) with a 488 nm laser; the second (Novo D, Perlmutter NG, Hunt RH, Shapiro HM: Multiparameter flow cytometric analysis of antibiotic effects on membrane potential, membrane permeability, and bacterial counts of Staphylococcus aureus and Micrococcus luteus. Antimicrob Agents Chemother 2000; 44:827-834) illustrates simultaneous measurement of membrane potential (with DiOC2(3) and the 488 nm laser) and permeability (with TO-PRO-3 and a red laser). The third (Shapiro HM, Nebe-Von-Caron G: Multiparameter flow cytometry of bacteria. Methods Mol Biol 2004; 263:33-44) provides a detailed protocol. The Data Sheet for the kit can be downloaded from http://probes.invitrogen.com/media/pis/mp34950.pdf. Flow cytometry of membrane potentials was, as far as I know, first described in 1979 (Shapiro HM, Natale PJ, Kamentsky LA: Estimation of membrane potentials of individual lymphocytes by flow cytometry. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1979; 76:5728-5730). Note that the title of this paper describes "estimation" of membrane potentials, while that of the 1999 Novo et al paper describes their "measurement". This is not accidental; the 1979 paper showed, among other things, that mean dihexyloxacarbocyanine (DiOC6(3)) fluorescence intensity in lymphocytes, measured at 530-580 nm with 488 nm excitation, was lower in electrically depolarized and higher in electrically hyperpolarized cells than in controls, and that lectins such as phytohemagglutinin appeared to depolarize only some of the lymphocytes. Since there was substantial overlap of the fluorescence distributions from control and treated cell populations in all cases, we characterized what we were doing as estimation of membrane potentials rather than as measurement. However, at least some of the many investigators who have since used flow cytometry of cyanine dye fluorescence intensity in studies of cytoplasmic membrane potential in prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells and of mitochondrial membrane potential in eukaryotic cells make the mistake of describing the procedure as "measuring" potential. The studies of lymphocytes reported in 1979 were done in the hope that we might be able to detect small numbers of specifically activated lymphocytes based on differences in membrane potential; once it became clear that fluorescence intensity itself would not provide a basis for such discrimination, we moved on to analyses of early activation antigen expression, and restricted our work on membrane potential to analyses of bacteria. We and others soon found that neither cationic (cyanines, rhodamines) nor anionic (oxonols) dyes could provide reliable discrimination at the single cell level between metabolically active and electrically depolarized bacteria on the basis of fluorescence intensity measurements. The underlying Nernstian theory predicts that it is the concentration, rather than the amount, of dye in a cell that most accurately reflects membrane potential. The ratiometric technique we reported in 1999 uses a much higher concentration of dye than is typically used for flow cytometry of membrane potentials (30 uM vs. tens of nm). Under these conditions, the green (530 nm region) fluorescence of DiOC2(3) in single bacteria or clumps of bacteria becomes independent of membrane potential, but remains strongly dependent on size. As intracellular concentration of dye increases, the fluorescence emission spectrum shifts toward the red, reflecting increasing interactions between the orbital systems of neighboring dye molecules, some of which may be due to dye aggregate formation. The concentration of dye is dependent on membrane potential; the intensity of red fluorescence (at 600-700 nm) from a bacterial cell or clump reflects both the dye concentration (and therefore the potential) and the size of the cell or clump. The ratio of red to green fluorescence, in which the numerator is both potential- and size-dependent, while the denominator is potential-independent and size dependent, primarily reflects membrane potential. We have established that, in at least some microorganisms, this ratio provides a calibratable measurement of potential in the same range as can be obtained by other, noncytometric measurement techniques. Fluorescence ratio values for individual aerobic Gram-positive organisms from depolarized and control cultures typicaly differ by one to two orders of magnitude, providing clear discrimination between populations. By contrast, there is substantial overlap between the dye fluorescence intensity distributions of similarly treated populations, obtained using the lower dye concentrations normally employed for potential estimation. I am flattered to see Molecular Probes/Invitrogen marketing a bacterial membrane potential kit (I make no money on this; I did have patents on cytometric membrane potential measurement, but they expired years ago). However, DiOC2(3) has been in the in the Molecular Probes catalogue for some time, and, although the kit provides the necessary reagents in a convenient, ready-to-use form, it is not particularly difficult to prepare all of the necessary stock and working solutions from scratch. We are confident that the method works as originally described with Gram-positive organisms, including Mycobacteria. The intact outer membrane of most Gram-negative species presents a permeability barrier to lipophilic compounds such as DiOC2(3), but the addition of a low concentration (1-5 mM) of EDTA allows the dye to be taken up, and, although it has not been possible to calibrate the measurement in EDTA-treated Gram-negative organisms, the fluorescence ratio does reflect differences in membrane potential and clearly discriminates depolarized from control Gram-negative bacteria. However, although the ratiometric method arguably represents the most accurate and precise method for flow cytometry of bacterial membrane potentials, and the only one that can legitimately be described as providing a measurement, rather than an estimate, of membrane potential at the single cell level, a PubMed search today ("flow cytometry" AND "membrane potential" AND bacteria) did not turn up any publications other than ours in which the method was used, although we are aware of a number of articles in which our work has been cited. The primary context in which we have used the ratiometric method is analysis of drug effects on cells, carried out using pure cultures. As the illustrations from our papers, those in Figure 7-32 (p. 400) and on the back cover of the 4th Edition of Practical Flow Cytometry, and Figure 5 of the kit data sheet show, there is excellent discrimination between control (metabolically active) and depolarized populations under these conditions. How suitable the method would be for estimating viability of organisms in seawater remains to be determined. One would typically be dealing with a mixed population of organisms present at relatively low concentrations, including Gram-positive and Gram-negative species, some of which might be autofluorescent in the spectral regions used for the measurement. If major components of the bacterial population could be gated for further analysis on the basis of scatter signatures, the membrane potential measurements would probably be cleaner than if one simply compared fluorescence ratios for the whole population. However, simply comparing two-dimensional distributions of red vs. green fluorescence for ungated populations with and without CCCP added as a depolarizing agent should provide an overall indication of the fraction of "viable" organisms. This assumes that "viability" is equated with having a membrane potential; it is known that some bacterial species can enter a state of dormancy, from which they can be resuscitated, losing membrane potential while they are dormant. In our experience, the combined potential/permeability measurement is substantially more informative than the potential measurement alone; we would use 488 nm excitation for DiOC2(3), measuring green fluorescence through a 20-30 nm bandpass filter centered at 520-530 nm and red fluorescence through a 20 nm bandpass filter centered at 610 nm, and excite TO-PRO-3 with a red He-Ne or diode laser, measuring fluorescence using a 680-695 nm long pass filter. We'd be happy to take a look at the results and provide advice, so it seems as if the logical thing to do is get the reagents, either in the kit or individually, put on a CD with some good background music, and try the experiment. -HowardReceived on Tue May 10 15:38:00 2005
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